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9/11 Problems and Questions Blog

I'm not a kook - nor do I wear a tin-foil hat.

I have 2 undergrad degrees and a PhD - and I'm very confused with all the 9/11/01 information I've read over the years.


Firstly - let me explain - I can see HUGE benefits to the US from 9/11 - which in many respects almost makes it true that:

"The Ends Justify The Means".


So this isn't about conspiracy - my theory is that the US and that amazingly small group of insiders involved are too embarassed to admit what probably might have been an acceptable explanation if it was spun-up right.



But given they unwaiveringly stick to the official story (and attack all evidence despite it's validity [uum, just by the way: where are the scientists, scholars, good men - seriously - this is just sick] ..... there are a number of issues I simply need to put online which I'd like any reader to explain to me...

NO - scrub that: I'd like any reader to explain why THEY can mentally accept the official (non) explanations for the events of September 11 2001:



1/ Explain the fact that only 58 of the 266 passengers listed on the 9/11 flights do not show up on the US SSID death list - on which all US citizens I can think of who've died appear. (Try and find them for yourself at http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ )
[See FollowOn Below]


2/ Explain why the 9/11 compensation fund has only paid out to 11 passengers of the planes [See FollowOn Below - FULL VICTIM LIST AND CLAIM LIST ].


3/ How do 3 steel-structures all collapse and yet all the concrete is vapourized into powder - by fire ?? This is clearly impossible.

3/i/ Follow on - why did none of these WTC buildings fall over - they dropped vertically. IMPOSSIBLE - sorry - I'm a physicist and engineer - NO WAY BOYS - you really screwed this up: either it was the foot of God or a demolition.



4/ Why is it that almost every video of the WTC collapses clearly shows explosive energy in point events, and thousands of them? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7BnTaWMyoc&search=squibs%20wtc )



5/ Explain why the planes weren't intercepted?
5/ i/ Follow up - and why was Otis AFB scrambled NOT Andrews AFB and told NOT to go supersonic ?? (see below TimeLine of 9/11 Events)


6/ Where's the steel and rubbl
e - ie: why no (typical?) forensic work on the crimes of the century? .


7/ Why are there so many pictures of the WTC foundations which show clean melted steel cuts (see top image)? How can they be from a gravitational collapse?



8/ Explain the PBS coverage where we heard the owner (Silverstein) say "We pulled WTC7" - so obviously it was pre-set with explosives - so why isn't this a
discussion-point in the WTC Commission's report? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs&search=%22pull%20it%22%20silverstein )


9/ The Dec 13/01 videotape of Osama Bin Laden confessing - that's not him at all - doesn't look anything like him - huh? .
Does ANYONE believe that video - the ONLY one in which he confesses !!??


10/ How can all of the black boxes on all of the planes be destroyed ?
(and yet the investigators found 2 terrorists' PAPER passports - but NO black boxes....)

11/ How does the nose-cone of the Pentagon-plane penetrate yards thick of reinforced concrete? And how can a passenger airliner disappear into that small hole?

12/ I've tried hundreds of times and have never been able to make a cell phone call like on 93, never, not even now years later. Not Airfone, cell. It's physically impossible to even get a connection.

13/ Explain how can hijackers of the planes still be alive
overseas ?

14/ What is the connection between Iraq and 9/11 - I can't find one at all.

15/ Why did the President say he watched the first plane hit the tower on TV when it's impossible?

16/ How can I believe the 9/11 Commission's report when they don't even discuss WTC7?



You see: the problem is that with JUST ONE INCONSISTENCY the 9/11 "Story" is highly questionable - there should be NO errors or ommissions - still the "plan"
has always been simply to confuse and shock... obviously.

Answer me just ONE of these questions and I will absolutely believe that terrorists with box cutters did all this damage.

...and that America is at war fighting civilizations in order to avenge and terminate a threat of their own making... again... which is the sadest part...


What's the alternative to terrorists doing this (just looking at WTC-site alone for a moment): clearly the alternative is that the planes were only a ruse to make the collapses look like an attack - and that the collapses were initiated and completed through explosives.

Given explosives: obviously someone put them there.

Given someone put them there: someone knew they were there and how to time their detonation.

Given that, and that the owner is recorded saying he did explode and collapse WTC7 - obviously the owner also collapsed the WTC1 and 2.


Unless a whole lot of buildings in Manhatten are pre-wired right now with explosive charges to be taken down in case... what... in case of what....
Ridiculous notion.


So if you have any functional brain cells - tell me.

I don't want to hear "you don't need to know because you're a conspiratoid" - or "how dare you question this you non-patriot" - or "steel melts evenly throughout a 5000acre structure" - even if the steel did all melt it wouldn't be so even as to allow the buildings to implode and vertically collapse so perfectly - it would have fell over and taken many other buildings with it/them.

I'm a scientist and engineer and I need a plausible explanation.

Personally I think there's only two explanations: Either the foot of God did it, or a bunch of insiders did it.


Not Bush (he's just too stupid folks but a great poker player - I think they wanted DanQ anyway) but a set of people who actually believe they are doing the Country a huge favour by committing it to a war which will secure US interests for the long term.

I can buy that. Actually I can support the US doing what they did on 9/11/01 - because I can see just how useful and strategic it is to initiate a Pearl Harbour - to commit the troops - by committing the people - in order to do a few key things:

1/ secure the Petrodollar.
2/ secure the US$ in turn.
3/ bolster the economy through the only industry we have: military-industry.
4/ expand - and expand.


Without 9/11 - I can argue - the US economy would be sinking like a stone right now.

IF Iraq had not been invaded they'd probably be trading oil in EUR$'s as would Iran - That act alone would drive the US dollar too low.
Which would cripple real estate, US investments, the entire American Dream would be over.


So while this looks a lot like a 9/11 conspiracy-site - in most respects I believe 9/11 has helped the US enormously - and let's face it, who would you rather run the planet anyway?

Uuum - no wait a minute...


Niggle




.....The next section is a real niggle: the SSDI records and the 9-11 Compensation Fund's lack of victims to compensate.....


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9-11 Compensation Fund Recipients

( * SSID Social Security Death Index (registration of US citizen’s deaths) http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ )


Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: Judy Larocque, Laurie Neira, Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: William Caswell, Eddie Dillard, Ian Gray, John Sammartino, Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: Michael C. Tarrou, Gloria Debarrera, Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: No one

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* SSID Social Security Death Index (registration of US citizen’s deaths) http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/


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The Official Victim List:

American Airlines Flight 11:

A Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane, carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots, crashed into a tower of New York's World Trade Center about 8:45 a.m. ET.

Crew: Barbara Arestegui, 38, Marstons Mills, Mass., flight attendant Jeffrey Collman, 41, Novato, Calif., flight attendant Sara Low, 28, Batesville, Ark., flight attendant Karen Martin, 40, Danvers, Mass., flight attendant Thomas McGuinness, 42, Portsmouth, N.H., first officer Kathleen Nicosia, flight attendant John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, Mass., captain Betty Ong, 45, Andover, Mass., flight attendant Jean Roger, 24, Longmeadow, Mass., flight attendant Dianne Snyder, 42, Westport, Mass., flight attendant Madeline Sweeney, 35, Acton, Mass., flight attendant

Passengers: Anna Williams Allison, 48, Stoneham, Mass., founder, A2 Software Solutions David Angell, 54, Pasadena, Calif., executive producer, NBC's ''Frasier'' Lynn Angell, Pasadena, Calif. Seima Aoyama Myra Aronson, 52, Charlestown, Mass., press and analyst relations manager Christine Barbuto, 32, Brookline, Mass., TJX Co. Carolyn Beug, 48, Los Angeles, Calif. Kelly Booms, 24, Boston, Mass., PricewaterhouseCoopers Carol Bouchard, 43, Warwick, R.I., emergency room secretary, Kent County Hospital Neilie Casey, 32, Wellesley, Mass., TJX Co. Jeffrey Coombs, 42, Abington, Mass., security analyst, Compaq Tara Creamer, 30, Worcester, Mass. Thelma Cuccinello, 71, Wilmot, N.H. Patrick Currivan Brian Dale, 43, Warren, N.J. David DiMeglio, Wakefield, Mass. Donald Ditullio, 49, Peabody, Mass., Smith and Nephew Albert Dominguez, 65, Sydney, Australia Alex Filipov, 70, Concord, Mass., electrical engineer Carol Flyzik, 40, Plaistow, N.H. Paul Friedman Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, Brookline, Mass., John Hancock Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Mass., plant manager, Raytheon Co. Linda George, 27, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co. Edmund Glazer, 41, Los Angeles, Calif., chief financial officer, MRV Communications Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, Needham, Mass., TJX Co. Andrew Curry Green, 34, Los Angeles, Calif., director of business development, eLogic Paige Farley Hackel, 46, Newton, Mass., spiritual counselor Peter Hashem, 40, Tewksbury, Mass., salesman Robert Hayes, 37, Amesbury, Mass., sales engineer, Netstal Ted Hennessey, 35, Belmont, Mass., consultant John Hofer Cora Holland, 52, Sudbury, Mass., Sudbury Food Pantry at Our Lady of Fatima Church Nicholas Humber, 60, Newton, Mass., owner, Brae Burn Management John Jenkins, 45, Cambridge, Mass., corporate office services manager, Charles River Associates Charles Jones, 48, Bedford, Mass., computer programmer Robin Kaplan, 33, Westboro, Mass., TJX Co. Barbara Keating, 72, Palm Springs, Calif. David Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, N.H. Judy Larocque, 50, Framingham, Mass., founder and CEO, Market Perspectives N. Janis Lasden, 46, Peabody, Mass., General Electric Daniel John Lee, 34, Los Angeles, Calif. Daniel C. Lewin, 31, co-founder, Akamai Technologies Susan MacKay, 44, Westford, Mass., TJX Co. Chris Mello, 25, Boston, Mass., analyst Jeff Mladenik, 43, Hinsdale, Ill., interim president, E-Logic Antonio Montoya, 46, East Boston, Mass., housekeeping worker, Boston Harbor Hotel Carlos Montoya Laura Lee Morabito, 34, Framingham, Mass., national sales manager, Qantas Airways Mildred Naiman, Andover, Mass. Laurie Neira Renee Newell, 37, Cranston, R.I., customer service agent, American Airlines Jacqueline Norton, 60, Lubec, Maine, retiree Robert Norton, 82, Lubec, Maine, retiree Jane Orth, 49, Haverhill, Mass., retiree, Lucent Technologies Thomas Pecorelli, 31, Los Angeles, Calif., cameraman, Fox Sports and E! Entertainment Television Berry Berenson Perkins, 53, Wellfleet, Mass., actress and photographer Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, Dover, Mass., former ballet dancer David Retik, Needham, Mass. Philip Rosenzweig, Acton, Mass., executive, Sun Microsystems Richard Ross, 58, Newton, Mass., Ross Group Jessica Sachs, 22, Billerica, Mass., accountant, PricewaterhouseCoopers Rahma Salie, 28, Boston, Mass. Heather Smith, 30, Boston, Mass., Beacon Capital Partners Douglas Stone, 54, Dover, N.H. Xavier Suarez Michael Theodoridis, 32, Boston, Mass., consultant James Trentini, 65, Everett, Mass., retired teacher and assistant principal Mary Trentini, 67, Everett, Mass., retired secretary Pendyala Vamsikrishna, 30, Los Angeles, Calif., project manager for consulting firm, DTI Mary Wahlstrom, 75, Kaysville, Utah Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Mass., Raytheon Co. John Wenckus, 46, Torrance, Calif., tax consultant Candace Lee Williams, 20, Danbury, Conn., student Christopher Zarba, 47, Hopkinton, Mass., software engineer, Concord Communications

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United Airlines Flight 175:

A Boeing 767 bound from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. It crashed into the other tower of the World Trade Center shortly after 9 a.m.

Crew: Robert Fangman, 33, Claymont, Del., flight attendant Michael Horrocks, 38, Glen Mills, Pa., first officer Amy Jarret, 28, North Smithfield, R.I., flight attendant Amy King, 29, Stafford Springs, Conn.,flight attendant Kathryn LaBorie, flight attendant Alfred Marchand, 44, Alamogordo, N.M., flight attendant Victor J. Saracini, 51, Lower Makefield Township, Pa., captain Michael Tarrou, 38, Stafford Springs, Conn., flight attendant Alicia N. Titus, 28, San Francisco, flight attendant

Passengers: Alona Avraham, 30, Ashdod, Israel Garnet ''Ace'' Bailey, 53, Lynnfield, Mass., pro hockey scouting director, Los Angeles Kings Mark Bavis, 31, West Newton, Mass., pro hockey scout, Los Angeles Kings Graham Berkeley, 37, Wellesley, Mass. Touri Bolourchi, 69, Beverly Hills, Calif. Klaus Bothe, 31, chief of development, BCT Technology AG (Germany) Daniel Brandhorst, 42, Los Angeles, Calif., lawyer, PricewaterhouseCoopers David Brandhorst, 3, Los Angeles, Calif. John Cahill, 56, Wellesley, Mass., senior executive, Xerox Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, Turner Falls, Mass., computer research specialist, University of Massachusetts John ''Jay'' Corcoran, 44, Norwell, Mass., merchant marine Gloria de Barrera, 49, El Salvador, exporter Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, Long Beach, Calif. Lisa Frost, 22, Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif., sales and marketing associate Ronald Gamboa, 33, Los Angeles, Calif., store manager, The Gap Lynn Goodchild, 25, Attleboro, Mass., Putnam Investments Francis Grogan, 76, Easton, Mass., priest, Holy Cross Church Carl Hammond, 37, Boston, Mass. Christine Hanson, 3, Groton, Mass. Peter Hanson, 32, Groton, Mass., software salesman Susan Hanson, 35, Groton, Mass., student Gerald F. Hardacre, 62, Carlsbad, Calif. Eric Hartono, 20, Boston, Mass. James E. Hayden, 47, Westford, Mass., chief financial officer, Netegrity Inc. Herbert Homer, 48, Milford, Mass., corporate executive, Raytheon Co. Robert Jalbert, 61, Swampscott, Mass., salesman Ralph Kershaw, 52, Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass., marine surveyor Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman, BCT Technology AG (Germany) Brian Kinney, 29, Lowell, Mass., auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers Robert LeBlanc, 70, Lee, N.H., professor emeritus of geography, University of New Hampshire Maclovio ''Joe'' Lopez Jr., 41, Norwalk, Calif. Marianne MacFarlane, 34, Revere, Mass., customer service representative, Louis Neil Mariani, 59, Derry, N.H. Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, New London, Conn. Ruth McCourt, 45, New London, Conn., founder, Clifford Classique Wolfgang Menzel, 60, personnel manager, BCT Technology AG (Germany) Shawn Nassaney, 25, Pawtucket, R.I., American Power Conversion Marie Pappalardo Patrick Quigley, 40, Wellesley, Mass., partner, PricewaterhouseCoopers Frederick Rimmele, Marblehead, Mass., physician James M. Roux, 43, Portland, Maine, lawyer Jesus Sanchez, 45, Hudson, Mass., off-duty flight attendant Kathleen Shearer, Dover, N.H. Robert Shearer, Dover, N.H. Jane Simpkin, 35, Wayland, Mass. Brian D. Sweeney, 38, Barnstable, Mass., business consultant Timothy Ward, 38, San Diego, Calif., information technology project manager, Rubio's Restaurants William Weems, 46, Marblehead, Mass., commercial producer

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American Airlines Flight 77:

A Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots. It crashed into the Pentagon about 9:40 a.m.

Crew: Charles Burlingame, 51, Va., captain David Charlebois, Washington, D.C., first officer Michele Heidenberger, 57, Chevy Chase, Md., flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, Culpeper, Va., flight attendant Renee May, 39, Baltimore, flight attendant

Passengers: Paul Ambrose, 32, physician Yeneneh Betru, 35, Burbank, Calif., director of medical affairs, IPC MJ Booth Bernard Brown, 11, student, Leckie Elementary School (Washington) Suzanne Calley, 42, San Martin, Calif., Cisco Systems Inc. William E. Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, Md., physicist, U.S. Navy Sarah Clark, 65, Columbia, Md., sixth-grade teacher, Backus Middle School (Washington) Zandra Cooper, Annandale, Va. Asia Cottom, 11, student, Backus Middle School (Washington) James Debeuneure, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md., fifth-grade teacher, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington) Rodney Dickens, 11, student, Ketcham Elementary School (Washington) Eddie Dillard Charles Droz, 52, Springfield, Va., vice president for software development, EM Solutions Inc. Barbara G. Edwards, 58, Las Vegas, Nev., teacher, Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, University Park, Md., research director, ECOlogic Corp. Dana Falkenberg, 3, University Park, Md. Zoe Falkenberg, 8, University Park, Md. James Joe Ferguson, 39, Washington, D.C., educational outreach director, National Geographic Society Darlene ''Dee'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va. Wilson ''Bud'' Flagg, 63, Millwood, Va., retired Navy Admiral and pilot, American Airlines Richard P. Gabriel Sr., 54, Great Falls, Va., founder, Stratin Consulting Ian Gray, 55, Washington, D.C., healthcare consulting firm president Stanley Hall, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. Bryan Jack, 48, Alexandria, Va., senior executive, Defense Department Steven D. ''Jake'' Jacoby, 43, Alexandria, Va., chief operating officer, Metrocall Inc. Ann Judge, 49, Great Falls, Va., travel officer manager, National Geographic Society Chandler Keller, 29, El Segundo, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co. Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan, 45, Reston, Va., nonprofit organization manager, Karen A. Kincaid, 40, lawyer, Wiley Rein & Fielding in Washington Dong Lee, 48, Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Co. Dora Menchaca, 45, Santa Monica, Calif., associate director of clinical research for biotech firm Christopher Newton, 38, Ashburn, Va., executive, WorkLife Benefits Barbara Olson, 45, TV commentator and lawyer Ruben Ornedo, 39, Los Angeles, Calif., propulsion engineer, Boeing Co. Robert Penniger, 63, Poway, Calif., electrical engineer, BAE Systems Robert R. Ploger III, 59, Annandale, Va., software architect, Lockheed Martin Corp. Lisa J. Raines, 42, Great Falls, Va., senior vice president, Genzyme Corp. Todd Reuben, 40, Potomac, Md., tax and business lawyer John Sammartino, 37, Annandale, Va., technical manager, XonTech Inc. Yang Shuyin, 61, Beijing, China Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, Santa Barbara, Calif., women's gymnastics coach, UC Santa Barbara Robert Speisman, 47, Irvington, N.Y., diamond industry salesman Norma Lang Steuerle, 54, Alexandria, Va. Hilda Taylor, sixth grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington Leonard Taylor, 44, Reston, Va., technical group manager, XonTech Inc. Sandra Teague, 31, physical therapist, Georgetown University Hospital Leslie A. Whittington, 45, University Park, Md., professor, Georgetown University John Yamnicky, 71, Waldorf, Md. Vicki Yancey, 44, Springfield, Va., Vredenburg Zheng Yuguang, 65, Beijing, China

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United Airlines Flight 93:

A Boeing 757 en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 37 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants. It crashed southeast of Pittsburgh around 10 a.m ET Tuesday.

Crew: Lorraine Bay, Hightstown, N.J., flight attendant Sandra Bradshaw, 38, Greensboro, N.C., flight attendant Jason Dahl, 43, Denver, captain Wanda Green, 49, Linden, N.J., flight attendant LeRoy Homer, 36, Marlton, N.J., first officer CeeCee Lyles, Fort Myers, Fla., flight attendant Deborah Welsh, 49, New York, N.Y., flight attendant

Passengers: Christian Adams, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German Wine Fund Todd Beamer, 32, of Cranbury, N.J., account manager, Oracle Corp. Alan Beaven, 48, Oakland, Calif., environmental lawyer Mark Bingham, 31, San Francisco, public relations firm owner Deora Bodley, 20, Santa Clara, Calif., university student Marion Britton, 53, assistant regional director, U.S. Census Bureau Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, San Ramon, Calif., senior executive of medical research company William Cashman Georgine Rose Corrigan, antiques and collectibles dealer Joseph Deluca Patrick Driscoll Edward Felt, 41, Matawan, N.J. Colleen Fraser, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey Developmental Disabilities Council Andrew Garcia, 62, Portola Valley, Calif. Jeremy Glick, 31, West Milford, N.J. Kristin Gould Lauren Grandcolas, 38, San Rafael, Calif., sales worker, Good Housekeeping magazine Donald F. Greene, 52, Greenwich, Conn. Linda Gronlund, 46, Warwick, N. Y., environmental compliance, BMW Richard Guadagno, 38, Eureka, Calif., Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge manager, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Toshiya Kuge, 20, Tokyo, Japan, student Hilda Marcin, 79, Budd Lake, N.J., retired teacher's aide Waleska Martinez, 37, automation specialist, U.S. Census Bureau Nicole Miller, 21, San Jose, student, West Valley College Louis J. Nacke, 42, New Hope, Pa., distribution center director, Key-Bee Toys Donald A. Peterson, 66, Spring Lake, N.J., retired president, Continental Electric Co. Jean Hoadley Peterson, 55, Spring Lake, N.J. Mark Rothenberg, Scotch Plains, N.J., owner, MDR Global Resources Christine Snyder, 32, Kailua, Hawaii, arborist, Outdoor Circle John Talignani, 72, Staten Island, N.Y., retired restaurant worker Honor Elizabeth Wainio, 27, Watchung, N.J., district manager, Discovery Channel stores.

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So what we have to ask ourselves is this: Who really died on these flights, and who is still alive, if the SSDI doesn't record their deaths ?
And Why wouldn't the victims claim their rightful compensation ?
In America, unless, basically, they couldn't prove they were dead or get anyone to collect for them.

And before you conclude that they were vapourized - remember the Commission report stating all the DNA was processed and verified against the passenger lists.

Hmmmmmmmm......


Still - despite the plot getting thicker and thicker - if one takes all the WTC events of Septeber 11th 2001 as SEPERATE events: they seem a lot clearer and can be dealt with seperately.

If it was just ONE tower which was hit - and we study that one event - the discrepencies are still inescapable on all levels: particularly on the level of elementary science and physics: completely impossible and un-duplicatable on any level - the simple fact that all the corners alone would melt simulataneously to collapse like that - EVEN IF WTC1 WAS MADE OF WOOD it couldn't collapse: it would tumble with angular momentum, spinning sections of the tower outwards, possibly dragging the whole structure sideways.

Pancake Theory: humbug - a complete impossibility:


<---the structure would look like this A REAL Pancaked Building !

Sigh...

But it the sheer ENORMITY of this act which makes it so incredibly difficult for people to even consider the possibility of alternatives - even though the facts are right in front of their eye's on the TV set.

It is clearly true: tell the biggest lie for the greatest chance of success - fear is the sole motivator.

But one day - one day - the smoking gun might just accidentally fall .....


So I guess it's true: You Can Lead A Horse To Water But It's Hard Getting Them In The Swim Trunks.

Niggle

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Next: EXCERPT FROM LC FORUM...................

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THE OVERALL THEORY BEHIND 9/11's NECESSITY FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE US$ THE US WAY OF LIFE US EXPANSION US SECURITY

(and obviously ongoing US Brutality!)





** SORRY - THIS IS REALLY LONG - BUT YOU NEED IT **




...and, if, now that the horror's another year older, we're all ready to grow up and really look - understand - digest - it actually makes a LOT more sense than you'd think....


So ... we all know pretty much When, What and Who (to a lesser extent and suprisingly few) - or we wouldn't be here...

Why?

What Motive could possibly justify the series of actions leading up to 9.11 and up to now?


* In order to justify perpetrating your own Pearl Harbour to mobilize everyone onside you need a lot of support for a damn big problem.


Just as you suspected, it's about oil and money - but on such a scale... this is going to take a while, and goes way way back, and it's economics. Sorry but this will take a few pages.

Money? Yep even Bernanke is going to get involved... fascinating cast throughout...


* Saddam was going to change oil-sales from US$ to EUR$ approx April 2003 - UN paperwork late 2000.

Iraq was invaded supposedly to stop the use of WMD's (9.11 connection) mid March 2003. Via Afghanistan who purportedly through ElQ where responsible for 9.11

Clearly the US needed a lot of BIG reasons for going in to justify mobilization. 9.11 was the Pearl Harbour necessary to mobilize.

* Iran has already instituted changes whereby they are now in the process of changing from US$ to EUR$ for oil.

If you were a betting man, what odds would you put on Iran's pulling this off?



THE threat was to the US$'s future; thats it, the US$, the bullying world standard, is Backed By Oil.

- oh wouldn'cha just hate to lose that!?


Just go buy some gold, and sell your real estate fast because this is happening real time...



At this point in time - the Iranian Oil Bourse will accelerate the fall of the American Empire just as Saddam's version proposed in 2000 would have - read on...



I. Economics of Empires

A nation-state taxes its own citizens, while an empire taxes other nation-states. The history of empires, from Greek and Roman, to Ottoman and British, teaches that the economic foundation of every single empire is the taxation of other nations. The imperial ability to tax has always rested on a better and stronger economy, and as a consequence, a better and stronger military. One part of the subject taxes went to improve the living standards of the empire; the other part went to strengthen the military dominance necessary to enforce the collection of those taxes.

Historically, taxing the subject state has been in various forms - usually gold and silver, where those were considered money, but also slaves, soldiers, crops, cattle, or other agricultural and natural resources, whatever economic goods the empire demanded and the subject-state could deliver. Historically, imperial taxation has always been direct: the subject state handed over the economic goods directly to the empire.

For the first time in history, in the twentieth century, America was able to tax the world indirectly, through inflation. It did not enforce the direct payment of taxes like all of its predecessor empires did, but distributed instead its own fiat currency, the U.S. Dollar, to other nations in exchange for goods with the intended consequence of inflating and devaluing those dollars and paying back later each dollar with less economic goods - the difference capturing the U.S. imperial tax.

Here is how this happened:

Early in the 20th century, the U.S. economy began to dominate the world economy. The U.S. dollar was tied to gold, so that the value of the dollar neither increased, nor decreased, but remained the same amount of gold. The Great Depression, with its preceding inflation from 1921 to 1929 and its subsequent ballooning government deficits, had substantially increased the amount of currency in circulation, and thus rendered the backing of U.S. dollars by gold impossible. This led Roosevelt to decouple the dollar from gold in 1932. Up to this point, the U.S. may have well dominated the world economy, but from an economic point of view, it was not an empire.

The fixed value of the dollar did not allow the Americans to extract economic benefits from other countries by supplying them with dollars convertible to gold.

Economically, the American Empire was born with Bretton Woods in 1945. The U.S. dollar was not fully convertible to gold, but was made convertible to gold only to foreign governments. This established the dollar as the reserve currency of the world.

It was possible, because during WWII, the United States had supplied its allies with provisions, demanding gold as payment, thus accumulating significant portion of the world's gold. An Empire would not have been possible if, following the Bretton Woods arrangement, the dollar supply was kept limited and within the availability of gold, so as to fully exchange back dollars for gold. However, the guns-and-butter policy of the 1960's was an imperial one: the dollar supply was relentlessly increased to finance Vietnam and LBJ's Great Society. Most of those dollars were handed over to foreigners in exchange for economic goods, without the prospect of buying them back at the same value. The increase in dollar holdings of foreigners via persistent U.S. trade deficits was tantamount to a tax - the classical inflation tax that a country imposes on its own citizens, this time around an inflation tax that U.S. imposed on rest of the world.

When in 1970-1971 foreigners demanded payment for their dollars in gold, The U.S. Government defaulted on its payment on August 15, 1971. While the popular spin told the story of "severing the link between the dollar and gold", in reality the denial to pay back in gold was an act of bankruptcy by the U.S. Government.

Essentially, the U.S. declared itself an Empire. It had extracted an enormous amount of economic goods from the rest of the world, with no intention or ability to return those goods, and the world was powerless to respond - the world was taxed and it could not do anything about it.

From that point on, to sustain the American Empire and to continue to tax the rest of the world, the United States had to force the world to continue to accept ever-depreciating dollars in exchange for economic goods and to have the world hold more and more of those depreciating dollars.

It had to give the world an economic reason to hold them, and that reason was oil.

In 1971, as it became clearer and clearer that the U.S Government would not be able to buy back its dollars in gold, it made in 1972-73 an iron-clad arrangement with Saudi Arabia to support the power of the House of Saud in exchange for accepting only U.S. dollars for its oil.

The rest of OPEC was to follow suit and also accept only dollars. Because the world had to buy oil from the Arab oil countries, it had the reason to hold dollars as payment for oil. Because the world needed ever increasing quantities of oil at ever increasing oil prices, the world's demand for dollars could only increase. Even though dollars could no longer be exchanged for gold, they were now exchangeable for oil.

The economic essence of this arrangement was that the dollar was now backed by oil. As long as that was the case, the world had to accumulate increasing amounts of dollars, because they needed those dollars to buy oil. As long as the dollar was the only acceptable payment for oil, its dominance in the world was assured, and the American Empire could continue to tax the rest of the world.

If, for any reason, the dollar lost its oil backing, the American Empire would cease to exist. Thus, Imperial survival dictated that oil be sold only for dollars. It also dictated that oil reserves were spread around various sovereign states that weren't strong enough, politically or militarily, to demand payment for oil in something else. If someone demanded a different payment, he had to be convinced, either by political pressure or military means, to change his mind.

The man that actually did demand Euro for his oil was Saddam Hussein in 2000. At first, his demand was met with ridicule, later with neglect, but as it became clearer that he meant business, political pressure was exerted to change his mind. When other countries, like Iran, wanted payment in other currencies, most notably Euro and Yen, the danger to the dollar was clear and present, and a punitive action was in order.

Bush's Shock-and-Awe in Iraq was not about Saddam's nuclear capabilities, about defending human rights, about spreading democracy, or even about seizing oil fields; it was about defending the dollar, ergo the American Empire.

It was about setting an example that anyone who demanded payment in currencies other than U.S. Dollars would be likewise punished. If 9.11 was self-created in order to mobilize, it set the stage with fluid timing.

Many have criticized Bush for staging the war in Iraq in order to seize Iraqi oil fields. However, those critics can't explain why Bush would want to seize those fields - he could simply print dollars for nothing and use them to get all the oil in the world that he needs. He must have had some other reason to invade Iraq.

There can be no doubt that 9.11 was the crisis needed to make the Empire mobilize. In the context of this scale of wealth, the poorly backed up claims of the 9.11 attack seem a godsend beyond coincidence.

History teaches that an empire should go to war for one of two reasons: (1) to defend itself or (2) benefit from war; if not, as Paul Kennedy illustrates in his magisterial The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, a military overstretch will drain its economic resources and precipitate its collapse. Economically speaking, in order for an empire to initiate and conduct a war, its benefits must outweigh its military and social costs. Benefits from Iraqi oil fields are hardly worth the long-term, multi-year military cost. The rage of the 9.11 events went a long way to divert attention from this, in fact 9.11 inspired military spending directly.

Bush needed to go into Iraq to defend the Empire. Indeed, this is the case: two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was terminated, the Iraqi Euro accounts were switched back to dollars, and oil was sold once again only for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with Euro. Global dollar supremacy was once again restored. Bush descended victoriously from a fighter jet and declared the mission accomplished - he had successfully defended the U.S. dollar, and thus the American Empire. The confusion of 9.11 was the catalyst which made the great power rise up and mobilize, it effectively accellerated the military.



II. Iranian Oil Bourse

The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate "nuclear" weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open mid 2006. It will be based on a euro-oil-trading mechanism that naturally implies payment for oil in Euro. In economic terms, this represents a much greater threat to the hegemony of the dollar than Saddam's, because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euro to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether. If so, then it is likely that almost everyone will eagerly adopt this euro oil system:

* The Europeans will not have to buy and hold dollars in order to secure their payment for oil, but would instead pay with their own currencies. The adoption of the euro for oil transactions will provide the European currency with a reserve status that will benefit the European at the expense of the Americans.

* The Chinese and the Japanese will be especially eager to adopt the new exchange, because it will allow them to drastically lower their enormous dollar reserves and diversify with Euros, thus protecting themselves against the depreciation of the dollar. One portion of their dollars they will still want to hold onto; a second portion of their dollar holdings they may decide to dump outright; a third portion of their dollars they will decide to use up for future payments without replenishing those dollar holdings, but building up instead their euro reserves.

* The Russians have inherent economic interest in adopting the Euro - the bulk of their trade is with European countries, with oil-exporting countries, with China, and with Japan. Adoption of the Euro will immediately take care of the first two blocs, and will over time facilitate trade with China and Japan. Also, the Russians seemingly detest holding depreciating dollars, for they have recently found a new religion with gold. Russians have also revived their nationalism, and if embracing the Euro will stab the Americans, they will gladly do it and smugly watch the Americans bleed.

* The Arab oil-exporting countries will eagerly adopt the Euro as a means of diversifying against rising mountains of depreciating dollars. Just like the Russians, their trade is mostly with European countries, and therefore will prefer the European currency both for its stability and for avoiding currency risk, not to mention their jihad against the Infidel Enemy.

Only the British will find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They have had a strategic partnership with the U.S. forever, but have also had their natural pull from Europe. So far, they have had many reasons to stick with the winner. However, when they see their century-old partner falling, will they firmly stand behind him or will they deliver the coup de grace? Still, we should not forget that currently the two leading oil exchanges are the New York's NYMEX and the London's International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), even though both of them are effectively owned by the Americans. It seems more likely that the British will have to go down with the sinking ship, for otherwise they will be shooting themselves in the foot by hurting their own London IPE interests. It is here noteworthy that for all the rhetoric about the reasons for the surviving British Pound, the British most likely did not adopt the Euro namely because the Americans must have pressured them not to: otherwise the London IPE would have had to switch to Euros, thus mortally wounding the dollar and their strategic partner.

At any rate, no matter what the British decide, should the Iranian Oil Bourse accelerate, the interests that matter-those of Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, and Arabs-will eagerly adopt the Euro, thus sealing the fate of the dollar.

Americans cannot allow this to happen, and if necessary, will use a vast array of strategies to halt or hobble the operation's exchange:

* Sabotaging the Exchange - this could be a computer virus, network, communications, or server attack, various server security breaches, or a 9-11-type attack on main and backup facilities.

* Coup d'état - this is by far the best long-term strategy available to the Americans.

* 9.11 Clone - blame Iran for a direct attack.

* Negotiating Acceptable Terms & Limitations - this is another excellent solution to the Americans. Of course, a government coup is clearly the preferred strategy, for it will ensure that the exchange does not operate at all and does not threaten American interests. However, if an attempted sabotage or coup d'etat fails, then negotiation is clearly the second-best available option.

* Joint U.N. War Resolution - this will be, no doubt, hard to secure given the interests of all other member-states of the Security Council. Feverish rhetoric about Iranians developing nuclear weapons undoubtedly serves to prepare this course of action.

* Unilateral Nuclear Strike - this is a terrible strategic choice for all the reasons associated with the next strategy, the Unilateral Total War. The Americans will likely use Israel to do their dirty nuclear job.

* Unilateral Total War - this is obviously the worst strategic choice. First, the U.S. military resources have been already depleted with two wars. Secondly, the Americans will further alienate other powerful nations. Third, major dollar-holding countries may decide to quietly retaliate by dumping their own mountains of dollars, thus preventing the U.S. from further financing its militant ambitions. Finally, Iran has strategic alliances with other powerful nations that may trigger their involvement in war; Iran reputedly has such alliance with China, India, and Russia, known as the Shanghai Cooperative Group, a.k.a. Shanghai Coop and a separate pact with Syria.


Whatever the strategic choice, from a purely economic point of view, should the Iranian Oil Bourse gain momentum, it will be eagerly embraced by major economic powers and will precipitate the demise of the dollar. The collapsing dollar will dramatically accelerate U.S. inflation and will pressure upward U.S. long-term interest rates. At this point, the Fed will find itself between Scylla and Charybdis - between deflation and hyperinflation - it will be forced fast either to take its "classical medicine" by deflating, whereby it raises interest rates, thus inducing a major economic depression, a collapse in real estate, and an implosion in bond, stock, and derivative markets, with a total financial collapse.


If I was the "old guard of the US" I'd be stuck also; once they lose grip on global dollar power and countries fall off the wagon, do you just go invade every threat and seize every asset? Or keep relying on misinformation for reasons behind the actions? Every other country on the planet has to endure these cycles, of course they can't roll 40 divisions of troops out in 24hours either.

Mind you - if I was one of the old-guard: hah, I'd be 20 years ahead of the lot of you and triply confusing you too - this is my long term security. There are a dozen innovative methods still unexploited in all this - be prepared for suprises!

I suppose the biggest question remaining, given the facts that the US government has already gone so far as to actually attack themselves and blame impossible culprits in order to invade and seize huge global assets, to avoid massive economic downturn, is this: Where Will It Ever End? OR can it end now, I doubt it, it has to go on, and on...


You see the only alternative of getting out of this humungeous debt is to buy your way out with a combination of US$'s and something truly truly valuable, some gold sure but - uuummm, maybe a few Oil Fields?

Now where could one find a few oil fields to bail out the Saudi and Japanese debt?
Hmmmm.... of course you'd need to mobilize a huge army... and be completely scupulously focussed on this as a goal...


and PS: in 15 years with the reactor base in Iran, maybe, they could make enough plutonium - maybe - but just before we go all "Nukey" on this matter.... forget it.. it's just another WMD red-herring... the Govt just believes that 90% of US citizens are too lazy to give any mental energy to the confusing matter - just like both Iraq and 9.11!

Wall Street is at war. This is sort of the 3rd world war being fought by only one army on the field, controlling the game before it gets started.
The EUR$ can cripple the US$, not to mention the Anglo-American alliance in the oil industry (as in BP-Amoco) and weapons production ("Big Five" plus BAES).

Petrodollars and the US dollar are the integral parts of this new 'Anglo-American military-oil axis'. And it looks like it really started gaining steam around '99, it's a long story.

But the EUR$ and the US$ rival financial and monetary systems are competing worldwide for control of global money creation and credit. It's almost end-game and only one can win - whoever's dollar is the petrodollar.

The geopolitical and strategic implications are massive and already marked by new splits in the Western defence industry and the oil businesses. The old boys are regrouping.


The US is poised to militarily rule the chessboard. Only public and global sentiment could stop them, and even then...


Who but oilmen and bankers would have the balls:


-US Empire is built on the dollar and it's unique tie to oil
-US$ and petrodollar future in jeopardy if EUR$ becomes a petrodollar
-Iraq on 2003 schedule for change from US$ to EUR$, Iran on 2006 schedule
-Certain US depression if debt not controlled and US$ strength not secured
-Global efficiencies point to lower petrol useage, require higher oil prices for profits
-Quadrillions of dollars in oil transfers in US$'s make it the global fiat currency
-Collapse of US real-estate, markets and gdp imminent, only strong US$ will stop it
-Spending US$ on massive level bouys economy and US$, internal arms race
-Biggest creditor is Saudi, loans up $4Trillion since 9.11
-Securing largest world oil reserves akin to giving them to Saudis
-Tie the operation to a debt forgiveness program long term
-Pay off debt through oil credits, ongoing bouying of US$ through control of wells
-Nobbling and leaving oilwells at low productivity great for Saudis also
-Saudi wealth is petrodollar growth is US$ growth equals ongoing world power
-Need to mobilize military to secure oilwells or find alternative to devalue EUR$
-Public sentiment for unjustified invasion totally negative as is world's
-Troops and public need to be united for invasion and ongoing military operations
-9.11 planned and executed as necessary Pearl Harbour event to enrage public
-9.11 launches military-economy and wartime measures powers still ongoing
-Public sentiment positive for worldwide retaliation and internal change
-Public unified and deem new society and finance bills acceptable
-Afghanistan provides control of pipelines and ports to Russia/China
-WMD's cover up petrodollar crisis/motive
-Massive spending, increased debt, dollar stabilized, Saudi profits soar
-Mobilized and growing military deployed in middle east
-Iraq wells nobbled and secured and trading in US$
-Iraq oil traffic controlled by US security council, anglo american, bp - gottit!
-Ongoing 9.11 terror distraction justifies ongoing military expansion
-Iranian oil boyse still on a countdown to convert to EUR$
-Saudi+Iraq+Iran wells ~70% global oil = control in europe and beyond
-Iran currently not controlled
-Speculation on method to mobilize into Iran: new 9.11? nuclear? misinformation? ?
- One way or another Europe's banks and military will become US controlled



Yeah, I know, there are other oil supplies, but it's not about total domination, this will all look very benevolent by the time it's played out this administration; it's ONLY about keeping the US$ in control of the petrodollar, and with Iran the future is secure.

Hmmm, in about 25 years those wells should be gone and us living in pretty orange skies - the Alberta oilsands are the only next big reserve, by then the cost per barrel will be humungeous and the US will have benefited from another quarter-century of huge profits and growth/global ownership. All thanks to a partnership that dates back almost 60 years..

Who'd a thunk it possible but this plan worked. The public possibly wouldn't even care if this was spun out the right way (see Kyoto accord), but there's no turning back now; and no loose lips so far.

So who's the brains behind it? Who spotted the method of profiting on all sides of a game like this? Where'd the plan get cooked up and funded?
Keep following the money! Who makes the money? Damn there are tons of them. You can sort of spot it just with public profits over the last 3 years but the big money comes to those who hedge oil and who's running the ports.

Clearly Anglo-American oil giants (BP-Amoco, Chevron-Texaco, Exxon-Mobil, Shell) – supported by the Anglo-American military axis are fighting Europe's oil giant Total-Fina-Elf and Italy's ENI, with huge interests in Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia.
And to mobilize into the region a big bang was necessary.

With Anglo-American control of Afghanistan and Iraq they have control of about half of the oil interest north of Saudi and into Europe - with Iran they'll control and dictate the terms for oil throughout Europe until someone comes and takes it away from them.

Anglo-American is a company. It owns lots of the companies you already know are profitting in Iraq. It's still only a subsidiary, though, sort of the front-man if and when you need one.
There just isn't enough typing to go over what and who's in that place and beyond - this goes up to Lon-Rhodes, world Gold control, Diamond control, and the same guys run THE Big 6 (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, and BAES). Oh yeah.

In Europe and America, monetary policy, although formally under State jurisdiction, is controlled by the private banking sector.
The European Central Bank based in Frankfurt is overseen by Germany’s largest banks and businesses.
The U.S. Federal Reserve Board is formally under State supervision with a close relationship to the U.S. Treasury. The 12 Federal Reserve banks (of which the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is the most important) are controlled by their shareholders, which are mainly private banks.

In other words, "the Fed" which is responsible for monetary policy and hence money creation for the nation, is actually run by ... Wall Street. Literally.

These viscious bastards have the chance to change the methods and control of global money. A huge victory for the US$ and the American Empire.



That's your New World Order!

It's so neat and clear, precise and inevitable; but this took some planning.

"Run the worlds banks as a by-product of saving your own dollar's ass through massive military operations to control oil, initiated by the planned 9.11 event"


All for the greater good?
Treason and mass murder?

Yup.


This is the point where you sit back and wonder: "9.11 so I can keep my house and car and pension? Hmmm. Should I just keep my mouth shut?".

Quite the screwup, though, this is the first time anyone actually caught them at one of these world-history-altering operations.. Still ... no loose-lips, yet ! No loose-bladders, yet..


But that's the end of the money trail, as far as I can tell, Wall St.... It comes right back to Manhattan. (ohh the horrible irony)


Who?...well at least you've got a Zip code to go on...


Keep buying gold folks.


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